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Some Updated Material Added or Edited on 10/26/08
Someone DELETED this, and it was moved to an area where only Amins can see it, so that's probably why the link was no longer working. Sorry about that, so it has been partially restored. It is along read, but is important for you to do so, to understand how bans are done, and causes.
Someone Deleted this AGAIN, so it's moved BACK, Again.
Some of this data is REPETITIVE, but apparently we need it EVERYWHERE!
When something NEW happens, you are basically going to ask a question, that only a Microsoft Employee, working on the Xbox360 console updates, can answer. So, why do you still ask? Who knows, maybe you're guessing, HOPING, a rogue M$ employee visits this site? Well, for whatever reason, you have to understand why the question is pointless to ask. The fact is NO ONE KNOWS until it happens, so sorry, that's the way it is.
MODDED CONSOLE LIVE! RULES:
#1 Rule: USE LIVE AT YOUR OWN RISK, YOU ARE NEVER 100% SAFE!
#2 Rule: They Do Not Ban PROFILES, Just Consoles!
#3 Rule: See #1, and repeat it several times.
WHY?
Sources inside M$ say that, even if you play off-line, as soon as you sign on with the SAME console, you can or will be banned (can take up to ten days). Information is being logged somewhere in the console, and reported at sign in. This was basically, a TROJAN HORSE ban, so to speak, because no system update is due till December. This on the heals of a Halo III map pack release in December. AS I said prior (for which people said I didn't know what I was talking about), the bans are coming again, and is another preemptive strike. No one really listened, but I know what I am saying.
WHEN?
Bans are from immediate to within 14 days. This is, of detecting any anomalies sent to live by the console once it is connected to the internet.
HOW LONG?
All bans are PERMANENT! 
Microsoft wrote:
"We have stated in the past that customers can only enjoy access to the Xbox LIVE community through the use of a genuine, unmodified, Xbox console and we will continue to enforce this rule to ensure the integrity of our service, the protection of our partners and the benefits of our users," reads Microsoft's announcement.
Please Refrain From Asking THESE questions:
Will I get banned?
If I play originals on-line with a modded console, will I get banned?
If I play backups, will I get banned?
Stealth this, stealth that, boo hoo, bla bla bla!!!
Why? Because no one here works for Microsoft, so how can anyone know?
In fact, don't ask ANY questions that contain the phrase "will I get banned?" All you need to do is READ the information presented here, and at the XB-Scene thread. Those type of questions just show how how lazy you are, because you can't READ what's in front of you, and, because NO ONE knows the answer for sure; what the "trigger" is for the latest bans, or any ban. If you ask one of those "seemingly" stupid questions, after 9AM EST today (this original post date), the posts will just get deleted, or your detail changed to a link to THIS post. There is no just cause to ask it after READING the information presented here. Don't ask if your ban has anything to so with SPLITVID either, it doesn't
AGAIN, to the newbies who keep asking, and you should just know from common sense that: YOU PLAY ON LINE AT YOUR OWN RISK, PERIOD! So, live with it, without it, be a hermit, don't care which. No one should cry or complain they got banned, as you broke the law (EULA Agreement), and you kind of deserve what you get. Posts that look like you're crying or complaining will be removed. All I want here in this thread, is when you were/are banned, what firmware you have/had, the last game played, and if you have updated your firmware, and which versions to the one that you were banned with.
PLAYING LEAKED GAMES BEFORE RETAIL RELEASE DATES
This is one major cause of a console ban. If you attempt to play on-line with the game, before it is on the retail shelfs in your area, you will most likely be banned. If you attempt to play on-line with the leaked game, and you are immediately disconnected from live - expect a full console ban within 10 days. Remember, you pirated the game, so don't cry about being banned because you performed an illegal act. You are not god, and you are not the one who makes the rules and never will be. You agreed to the EULA when using live, so deal with your mistake.
GAME UPDATES -VS- SYSTEM UPDATES & LIVE!
Taking an update for a game should not result in a ban, however, M$ has used this strategy before. Most of these updates for the GAME are glitch fixes, and other bugs/problems they have fixed with that game.
SYSTEM UPDATES Are always a risk for a ban. They usually update the Kernel and/or Dashboard with a System Update, and then may blow an eFuse in the CPU if the Kernel is updated, to prevent the older one(s) from running. The real reason they update the KERNEL is because someone found an Exploit, be it a M$ staffer, or a user end hacker.
LIVE! When you connect to live, any anomalies the console may have found will be reported to the M$ servers, and analyzed. It can take up to ten days for the ban to be in effect. Anomalies that are reported will be due to running backups that are NON STEALTH, or using older firmwares that do not have the Jitter correction, and other test response challenges to the drive fixed. With any new Dash or Kernel update, they can have another method of testing, or detecting, and you won't know till it is too late.
So, for the, umm, who knows HOW many times this has been said: USE LIVE AT YOUR OWN RISK, YOU ARE NEVER 100% SAFE!
NOW TO THE DETAILS
Not a lot of information yet, but it looks like Microsoft started a new wave of bans against modified DVD firmwares, and or DVD+/-R DL discs. Make sure you BITSET +R Media to DVD-ROM as booktype. DVD-R media can't be set. Also, if you use DVD InfoPro, and you did bitset, you get the DVD-ROM as the changed value, but you can still see the disc is a DVD+R media, and that never changes.
Several users (now a lot more) in the Xbox Scene forums and on IRC report their Xbox 360 has been banned from LIVE today. We get reports of both Toshiba-Samsung and Hitachi-LG drives banned with all types of different firmwares (both Xtreme and iXtreme). No reports of banned BenQ drives yet (but few of these drives have been flashed yet). We don't know yet if Microsoft is detecting the modified firmware or the discs (maybe only with a specific game?). If you have the 'Z Code' 8015-190D it means you are banned.
If your console is banned or if you have been playing on LIVE during this wave of bans, with modified FW without getting banned, report you findings in this thread. So until we have more info we HIGHLY suggest you don't log in to Xbox LIVE and don't play any games from DVD+/-R DL (even offline, incase MS flags something) if you have a flashed DVD drive.
BAN LIST:
ixtreme based samsung ms28
smackdown vs raw 08 backup, went to play call of duty 4 original, banned, unning the newest firmware.
xtreme on a Samsung ms28
Banned at 4:00PM EST.. Firmware version: Xtreme 5.0 MS25 Drive
21st november 07 at 00.20AM uk time. hitachi 78fk drive, 1.2c iextreme FW, only used stealth games
Samsung MS25 with iXtreme1.2
hitachi47/xtreme2.4, hitachi59/xtreme2.3, hitachi59/ixtreme1.2r2, hitachi47/ixtreme1.2r2, ms25/ixtreme1.2rc - 5 people playing cod4, all got banned at the same moment.
04:26 AM - Samsung MS28 with Xtreme 5.3 here, got ban a few minutes ago.
cod 4 friend, he got banned, not me. Both have iXtreme but i have a BenQ dvd and he has a samsung.
Samsung (iXtreme 1.2) got banned instantly
Banned at 7:15 Pm pacific time using iXtreme 1.2C on Sammy ms28 playing Call of Duty 4 on DVD+R DL
Samsung MS28 only flashed with iXtreme firmwares - banned
booted console after being at work all day, would not connect. Last game played was Halo 3 last night, using a Hitachi-LG GDR-3120-L with the iXtreme1.2_rev2_Hitachi_Sense_Fixfw firmware. got the banned code.
xtreme 1.6 for hitachi 78 - banned - never played a backup online then call of duty 4 comes out and I play the backup online.
06:02 AM - banned 20 min ago, Sam. MS25 with iXtreme 1.2c FW, never played a burned game, been using is the retail game disc of halo 3 for about a month.
banned on sammy ms25 spoofed as ms28, iExtreme
BenQ running at stock speed settings with ixtreme.
ms25/xtreme 5.3.
08:19 AM - banned 2 hours ago, playing mass effect on an ms28 5.3 xtreme firmware, never changed it
Hitachi 78 with Iextreme 1.2- banned.
11:36PM GMT BROWSING MARKET PLACE, LATEST FIRMWARE.SAMSUNG v25.
4 xbox 360 in the house, all got banned at the same time 1 ms25 ixtreme 1.2 1 ms28 1.2 and 2 hitachi 47dj with latest firmware.
Benq - Ixtreme 1.1
MS28 running 1.2revC - Verbatim media (all stealth)
samsung Ms25 - ixtreme 1.3 5x - silver account only
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I will stop here, you all should get the picture. I went up to post 19 on the Xbox Scene thread referred here, and listed the bans as summary, and they just began to get repetitive.
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In that thread, a couple people said something about having modded firmware but only playing originals and they still got banned.
So maybe they ARE detecting the firmware?
So far, I haven't heard anything about any kind of mod-chips getting banned this time around.... yet.
Hell, maybe it's they're detecting BOTH firmware and DL DVD+/-R?
I don't know.. But I have a feeling time will tell.
Most people on that thread were playing their backups online, which is a No-no, anyhow.
hmm.
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oh shoot so do we have 2 wait for a new firmware to come out?

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Ano.. i havent been banned yet but i play backups rite now (not online)?? if i play original online will i be ban?

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Updated the main post, I suggest you all read it, and others who already posted RE READ it!
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lightonokira wrote:
Ano.. i havent been banned yet but i play backups rite now (not online)?? if i play original online will i be ban?
WOW! you really know how to read I guess (ignorance is bliss i guess) - wait didn't Powerslave say no "will i be ban?" stuff? c'mon guys HOW THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSE TO KNOW AT THIS STAGE - if it makes you feel any better then YES you will be banned - go get a tissue and wipe your tears!

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i got a samsung m28 drive with ixtreme 1.2b and my officially bought then legally backed up games have not kicked me off live "yet". I bought it 07/04/2007 at my local walmart. I flashed it before it was ever connected to live or turned on. The first ban hammer wave missed me and i hope this one does also
The last game I know of playing was both Oblivion and Assassin's Creed last night. Will edit and let everyone know of any future updates with my console.
EDIT: I am still not yet banned
signed in and played assassins creed for over an hour and also dl a arcade game and played it, but I have not been online gaming on the Live Servers either. Guess the Silver Live is "protecting" me
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Sources inside M$ say that, even if you play off-line, as soon as you sign on, you will be banned...
i got Samsung Ms28 with iX1.3 and i just go online and only stay on xbox menu. nothing happen and also no ban. but still scary to go live gaming. just let you know. and keep you guys up 2 date!!!!
Gladiatorxxx form Holland
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*UPDATE* - From, the even WORSE than me people at Xbox-Scene:
It appears that modified fw is NOT being detected, and is instead once again due to 'bad' discs. Keep in mind that the only full proof way to make a 1:1 backup is to do it yourself. iXtreme is as fullproof as it can be, in that it validates everything it possibly can from a firmware point of view, but a game can have slight data change somewhere, most commonly in DMI. Or it can be due to early copies being watermarked so to speak.
This is why you run the risk of being banned on xbox live if you pirate games. Always remember that you run a risk doing such actions.
In regards to game data being properly validated, xdvdmulleter is a tool that has a constantly maintained database to validate backups against retail copies to ensure full stealth. If you have a samsung SH-D16x and would like to contribute to the project to prevent future Live bans, please join #stealth360 on Efnet, IRC.
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Dominationlord wrote:
I cant believe it on november 21 10:00pm i got banned i was playing conan on my console and i forgot to unplugg my ethernet cable and signed in im selling my console and buying another one next week and can anybody tell me if there will be a up to date hack for then?
My friend was banned at that same time as i was
I suppose a whole new batch of banned consoles will be hitting Ebay.
Also, many will suffer open heart surgery, and the damages sent back to a local walmart, which is no better than stealing.
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So Powerslave, if xdvdmulleter has all checks on the right side under xtreme compatibility, including iXtreme compatibility, there is still a chance that it is a "bad" disk and can be detected, right?
btw using xdvdmulleter 10.2
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UPDATE ON BANS: BAD SECURITY SECTOR?
Commodore4eva has noticed a recent change in games with regards to the c/r timings. It appears to have started in games a few weeks before halo 3, that will give a slightly altered Security Sector file when ripped using a kreon drive. We have tried to replicate the error with a samsung drive in 0800 mode with no success.
This slightly altered data would be very easy to detect, and would enable microsoft to use as critera for bannings. We believe this is the result of the recent bannings.
We are still not sure if this was a intentional move by Microsoft's part, or a coincedental bug within kreon. As a side note, kreon will not give this altered data every time, but appears to happen randomly. Here is a list of a few games that appear to have the possibility of giving altered SS data when ripped with kreon:
Halo 3 (Of course)
Mass Effect
Call Of Duty 4 (What most people said they were playing at the time)
Spiderman friend or foe
Thrillville
Project Gotham Racing 4
NHL 08
Half Life 2 The Orange Box
Oblivion GOTY Edition
This is just a small list of findings so far. There will be a full list maintained as time goes on (likely found in the forum thread below).
Kreon, Redline99 and commodore4eva are all involved with this progress, so there will be a solution in the near future, whether its a kreon firmware, XBC, or firmware update to resolve the issue.
If you have recently been banned, and would like to confirm whether one of your backups has a bad kreon SS, please use xdvdmulleter or any other program to extract the SS, and run Kreon Checker (Find it; compliments of #Stealth360 on efnet) on the SS, it will tell you whether it is a good or bad kreon rip. We are trying to verify that everyone who was banned had a bad kreon SS. As we find out more, the xdvdmulleter database will be updated to fix any bad Security Sectors on specific games.
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Powerslave wrote:
I said it was coming again, and I was right, again: Sources inside M$ say that, even if you play off-line, as soon as you sign on, you will be banned. Information is being logged somewhere in the console, and reported at sign in. This was basically, a TROJAN HORSE ban, so to speak, because no system update is due till December. This on the heals of a Halo III map pack release in December. AS I said, bans are coming again, and is another preemptive strike. NO one ever heeds my word, I know what I am saying, TRUST ME when I say it.
man you really need to get your own head out of your ass, you're so full of yourself. its no wonder why this site is DEAD.
edit! any pompous idiot could copy/paste the same "updates" on the scene as you, you're not that valuable!
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Well, you'd think you'd get the hint when I say BANS are coming, like I could never know anything about it, or know anyone to get information from, but you go ahead and keep thinking it. There is a difference between FULL OF YOURSELF, and knowing the fact, jack....
SO, yeah, you have nothing better to do then come here and make stupid statements like that? So, who is full of themselves? This site is not dead, far from it, just not all the stupid riif-raf, and dumb chit-chat, and nonsense posts that went on all the time. All posts here now are DIRECTLY related to hacking, no crap posts. The HOME page gets more traffic since I started the NEWS stuff, which is where GREG wants it for his ads and what not, so, that shows how much you REALLY know, which I know, is NOTHING. More replies and posts go there than here, which is JUST as good, but you don't know anyhow...
I also said not to post anything but BAN information, which you ignored, so I will strip your access for a while, so have fun READING this, and not being able to post anything, like a whimsical retort that will UNDOUBTEDLY put me in awe.... You're not a newbie or rookie, so, live with your ignorance.
SO when you feel like your jerk-off stage has passed you by, come back and let me know, I will let you post again. If not, I think the expression is "taa-taa".
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I actually think Powerslave does a pretty good job at running this site, the place would be a lot less active if he didn't have answers for our questions.
So we suspect that the way M$ is detecting and banning is only due to the bad SS in our backups, online or offline regardless? This means that if we run Kreon checker on each of our backups, and only play the ones that are good rips, we should be fine, is that right?
I'm not really sure of my situation right now, I hadn't been on Live in a very long time, and just last weekend I had a few friends over, and we all played my backup of Halo 3 with the bad SS. Then, just a couple days ago I logged onto Live to see what happened, and I wasn't banned. If my console was logging the bad SS in Halo 3, shouldn't I have been banned right on the spot?
Anyways, I think I'll hold off on playing any bad SS rips until we find out more, but again, if I only play games that have passed the Kreon check, I should be okay for now, correct?
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Im not sure if im banned i took an update today and then connected to xbox live i went to go play madden and it said i wast connected even though i was what the hell does this mean.
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christos2858 wrote:
Im not sure if im banned i took an update today and then connected to xbox live i went to go play madden and it said i wast connected even though i was what the hell does this mean.
IT will tell you if you are banned, then any further connections, look at the status codes, see the FIRST post for those codes.
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ive been playing PES2008 and COD4 online on a 78fk. not banned.
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Just got banned last night. Unsure of the actual mod on my console though. I paid a local shop to do it, but they said it was an actual chip, this was about 10 months ago. So cant really help much on that.
What I can say though is that I havn't played a back-up at all since the release of Halo 3. And in fact, probably a month or so before that. I beleive the last backup was Crackdown when the Halo 3 beta was on the go. Since then its only been originals in the xbox. This leads me to beleive that its not the media they are detecting, and must be the actual hardware mod itself (or dvd drive firmware anyway). If it was the media used that they were detecting, they would have had that information on me a long time ago, and choose not to ban me then, cant see that being the case in all honesty.

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More weekend bans:
Hitachi 47, Flashed only once Oct 22 2006 Dont remember what FW version.
BANNED dec. 14-07, v2.4 hitachi v.79, firm v2.4... july-07-07, medal of honor, call of duty 4, monster jam, party animals, all good on the kreon tester, never online (i like to keep my games in verry new shape), kreon drive, 1.1
Banned on Saturday Dec. 16th, 2007, iXtreme 1.4 12x Flashed 08Dec2007, Hitachi 46 DG
Banned saturday 15th, iXtreme 1.4, Toshiba samsung, live played guitar hero 2 backup, got banned the next day.
Banned 12/16/07, :iXtreme 1.4 on TSH943A MS25 spoofed as MS28, Previous firmware version's, Xtreme 33, 4.0, 5.3C bought new in 2005, Backups played over the past month : COD4, Skate, and newest one played was Condemned checked with Mulleter 10.2 beta everything reported ok, did not use kreon checker no drive with kreon fw, Originals played over the past month : Tiger Woods 06', Method of backing up games : MS25 drive with xtreme 33.
There are more, so post yours if you get banned...
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I've played the whole weekend 14e 15e 16e Dec
I played CoD4
Today 17e Dec, i still playing CoD4 and no ban!!
I'm using Toschiba M25 iXtreme 1.4 12x sinds 14 Dec after the Dec Fall update.
Before the update I was using xtreme 5.3 5x no ban!!
But I'm getting scared now so I hope ther will never be a ban for me :-(
I will play again tonight.
I let it know when I'm banned.
Grtzz
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Username wrote:
ive been playing PES2008 and COD4 online on a 78fk. not banned.
You could at least include the firmware you are using, backups or not, and so on.
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