May 13, 2009Xbox Suicide Command?
Posted by The Ori
I have stated many times, that if M$ wanted to, they could completely redure the console usless. So, is this next bit of information true or not? Lets see:
It has been said, by a laid off M$ employee (hardware tester) that; there is a “super secret kill-switch remote suicide self-destruct command,” and; that if Microsoft really wanted to they can remotely trigger it, causing Xbox 360 to fry itself and die. This was said to be intended as a last resort option, if a fight against Xbox Live cheaters or major league professional game piracy ever got real big. To the person’s knowledge, it has only been done in test situation in the lab, but if they wanted to, they could have the regular system security sweeps over Xbox Live activate the kill command when it found a compromised hacked Xbox 360 system. It works by having the Xbox overload a fuse and “pop” the fuse. The Xbox 360 will then crash and then will get an “Red Ring of Death Core Digital” error when the boot-up test comes back with a major component hardware failure. This is not the same as bricking or crashing a system since this will actually do physical damage to the motherboard.
We all know about the CPU eFuses, and this would be quite easy to do, just blow ALL the fuses in the CPU, and the console is inert. What is meant by physical damage to the mainboard, is that it would damage components on it. I don’t put it past anyone, and it is easy to do. Simply open up a high voltage line to 5V chips, and they’re all fried. Does M$ have this? You decide…
I seriously doubt that this is true
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Да уж… Маразм крепчал…
[World plot from M$))
Yes already… Marasmus strengthened…]
damn this is deep…it actually might be deeper than my asshole :O
Then stop letting daddy put it there!!!
I would have thought any of the firmware upgradable consoles could be remotely killable.
When Halo 3 came out my xbox 360 froze the first time i put the “backup” in then it RROD when i rebooted it but the funny thing was that when i rang M$ to get it fixed they said they couldn’t because it was banned, i was playing Live just before the crash!!
Well , that obvious why. You were playing a ”Back-up” on LIVE and deserved to get caught.
I know for a fact that this is true . Why would M$ not make a fail safe against X360 hackers ? They knew that it was a powerhouse that was going to attract this kind of attention , and so they would need a kill-switch if things ever got out of hand.
M$ is just waiting for the real hacks (homebrew , D-grades and such) before launching their secret weapon . It makes perfect sense !!!
I know its true too. They mentioned it before the console was even released
they will never do it has it is illegal for them to do so if they do this you can claim money of them and sue them even tho your xbox is illegely hacked but still it works both ways
FINALLY SOMEONE SEES THE WAY I DO U ARE CORRECT
This is paranoya…. No one knew what will be, if something going wrong with console and it blown in your face, after playing with voltage and hardware… MS not so stupid to do this…and even to imaging this so stupid.
P.S. Ou I forgot my brother is working in MS, and he saw terrible experiments when pirate DVD cut head on two pieces when peoples try to game in LIVE. BANZAI.
English please?
Зад надрать могу… учи мат. часть ботан…
noob…
my uncle works for M$ so i asked him about this and he said yes this real but isnt really physical but technical damage, that it was made strictly for emergency purposes only and doubts it will ever be used. He also mentioned that even if they did do this they will most likely have a back up x box to take the 360′s place. The thing is it leaves me thinking two things. If the kill switch is trigured a newer and better x box could be there? is it possible to remove the switch or protect your 360 from this?
Maybe they can do it technical, but juristic lie they can’t do that. Here in Holland it’s illegal to do those kind of things.
If i’m parking my car on the sidewalk they can write me a ticket, but it’s not allowed to remote blow my engine.
Well if you using GPS with windows mobile… who know… who know :)..
After all coments I know how begins WW3 :) …
not possible they would get sued out of them if lets say maybe a hacker got into xbox live and walla every system is friend. No they couldnt put that in if they have well they can say hello to a shitload of lawsuits. Also a company cant destroy a product they have sold you. They can ban you but they certainly cant take it from you. They can just control that however they like. Also this command would have been found by hackers by now/
Here is a more technicle explaination of how this may be possible:
I believe they could should they choose too. They can execute downloaded code in supervisor context (the so called live checks) when you log into Xbox Live. What would stop them from blowing a fuse that would invalidate one of the many checks preformed. I think it would be easy for them to do even if it wasn’t originally designed that way.
Buy electronically drive 12 volt into the 5 volt data line is not possible by the way
But*
Yes it is!, but that is not the deal, just change the microinstructions inside the RISC CPU and there, everything blows away, no phisically, logically!!
APL if the microinstructions are changed to blow the cpu it is physical damage it fries the transistors on the cpu. but yes it is possible to “kill” any game system that is connected to the internet… even if it was never designed to do that before they was made.
No way to send high voltage over ethernet lines. The “HV” would fry,(if possible to fry at all), your router or network adapter. Microsoft cannot take over your electricity and that would be the only way to do something at that level………MASS HYSTERIA
I am an Electrician and I know about electricity and you all are either HigH or more like PARANOID………If you have belief in this mumbo-jumbo.
HAHAHAHA…….See you on the “Other Side”
It, as you say; Voltage, would not be sent over the INTERNET, duh, only a trigger (code) is sent. The voltage comes from the inside the Xbox.
Remind me not to hire you to work on the electricity in my home. I’d prefer an electrician who could at least read on a 5th grade level. He told you how it works right up in the original post. Duh
the ethernet line would only be to send the command the power would come from the machine being powered by a wall socket which can supply enough power to fry your system
lmao wtf, then can control eclictricty now?
what cant M$ do, srsly if this is true ms an go stick a 12 incher up all there asses
You guys realize that this is MICROSOFT that we’re talking about, right? I wouldn’t put it past them to have some kind of secret law/physics defying technology. Billions of dollars can be a useful thing.
It has nothing to do with raw Physics, and brute force electricity. I think you all need to read up on NAND gates, NOR gates, TTL, and how transistors in a CPU work, and so on. All they do, is flip a switch (microscopic) with code, and you can fry components. It’s VERY VERY easy! 12V at high amps is all you need to fry a 3.3V or 5V circuit. There is no physical SWITCH or RELAY, it’s all done by program code. On top if it all, this is if this is even true…
If they REALLY wanted to, they can blow all the eFuses in the CPU, and make it so nothing works. They blow an eFuse with just about every KERNEL update anyway. eFuses are inside the CPU, and it configures the CPU real-time. IF they are ALL GONE, then it won’t run with any of their Kernels.
If your post was true then how come hackers aren’t already using viruses that infect other pc’s along with the “code”
its bs.
the idea behind this getting out to the public whether real or not real is to get people scared into thinking they have to play by m$ rules…. if they ever have to resort to physical destruction of an offending console because they get out of control then m$ deserves to have that person run wild… Only thing they succeed in doing is making themselves look like the bad guy in including such a kill switch anyways
There was no real point in actually including a way like this to blow the fuses in the cpu, just cause an “accident” that makes the temp regulation and safety system go away resulting in complete meltdown of any weakly soldered components
The eFuses are in ALL modern CPUs today. They are there in case of failure, so it can be reconfigured to work, or activate a new pathway in real-time. M$ does it so that older kernels won’t run on them, once you update over Live. They do it for exploit protection with older Kernels. They were not placed there simply as a method of total intimidation, they are there for more than just security reasons. Look up eFuses to see what they are for in a CPU, and you will see. I merely stated, they only need to blow ALL of them, and the console is usless.
Well, either way it is NOT LEGAL for them to destroy your Xbox 360. The EULA informs you that exploiting the console is not allowed which gives them the right to ban your console, but thats it. If they do “activate” this so called suicide command, MSoft would be out of business with in the next 12-24 months due to lawsuits lost.
Legal Info….
Property damage:
It is a crime to purposely damage or destroy another person’s property without their permission.
‘Property’ is anything that can be ‘owned’ by a person, including living things, such as pets.
Property damage offences, also known as wilful or criminal damage offences, include:
arson (damage by fire)
posting bills (such as putting up promotional posters) or defacing property (marking or writing on property)
tampering with a motor vehicle, such as tampering with a door lock or a car’s aerial
threats to damage or destroy property.
And with that last description, the conclusion is that even if they have a suicide command they can not activate it or “threaten” us with such actions.
Poor end user, read the EULA.
this is microsoft the biggest corporation in america with the murderers of big tobacco right next to them all laws aside rich people are truly free and can do whatever they want in the grand ole u.s of a so they would fry all the hacked consoles and just say we dont know what happened pay to fight it to the supreme court if it even gets to that cause who is gonna start the lawsuite you?
@red- You don’t own the 360 though. You are paying to borrow/lease it from Microsoft.
This is utter horse shit.
If it does exist it will never be deployed in this country.
1) Totally illegal. I don’t recall signing an agreement that if I buy this console, I give up the right to use it entirely if my warranty is void.
2) Fire hazard. Basic physics. You crank the voltage over a fixed resistor, you increase the heat. I don’t remember seeing any insulated fuses on that motherboard. All it takes is one box to catch fire (xbox 1 caught fire all by itself and ms almost got fucked) and M$ is toast.
This source is unverified and fueled by paranoia. Um think of the flipside – what if malicious people figured out how to do that. Remote mass xbox destruction. Yeahhh real good business practice. I wouldn’t count on this one, folks.
with so many people saying it cant happen they wont i hope they do
It wont happen. When M$ first announced they were prepared for alot of shit, then came the Sasser worm virus and fucked up half of NYC, INCLUDING M$. Their only solution in the end was to hire the guy lol. IF they pulled this off lawsuits would rain in,from physical injury to destruction of property and worse their consoles be wiped off the market, PS3 would profit and M$ consoles would never be purchased by the public.If theres one thing i know, Media can be a big thing upon people, If the media were to state this aloud on cases ACTUALLY happened, NO one would go on Live, M$ will loose profit big time. Besides if they were so damned serious about this, they would have done it starting from people who use illegal versions of windows. After all ‘Mass hacking’ IS done on a ‘Windows based system’ , Mac and linux cant handle .exe’s, All viruses are .exe based, best part is M$ markets off better with PC units than xbox. If they were damned serious, to pull this idiotic stunt, then they should have done it with PC’s ages ago to stop hackers. 6.2 bil people in the world, you sure m$ is willing to loose any short of a bil? Think not.
but it could be their even if they never use it or never admit to using it you cant say for sure that its not their their is no proof of it not being their but their is proof of it being their which is the ex employee sayin the command is their but how are you gonna proove their is no command you cant so haha
Simple, If there was such a command, Xbox themselves would admit it, Not some laid of asshole who got fired lol. For all we know while he was still there ‘they tried’ but who knows they realised what they would loose and while ‘ex employee’ wasn’t around changed their minds to something else? Im pretty sure xbox would announce it, after all theyre really updated on everything from map packs to warnings to achievement hackers.
Impossible! That would be a fire hazard if it shorted out and something wrong happend. That would be a huge lawsuit. I also belive that M$ likes when a pirate gets banned and goes out and buys another console and so on…
You are incorrect, there are no fire hazards with eFuses, or any other kind of circuit destruction techniques of this type. There is no mention of SHORTING anything to reach the goal implied, you people are adding that yourself. Since when does “flip a switch” constitute a SHORT? No one can read, is that what you’re telling us? That is just not how it works, and apparently you can’t grasp the technology, AT ALL, well, MOST of you anyway, to think it’s a hazard of any sort.
I can destroy any one of your electronic devices without shorting ANYTHING, or using voltages that are high enough to cause fires or dangerous conditions. If your assumptions were true, a STUN GUN or TASER would kill or set any human on fire, right? Since they are supplying the target with 80,000 volts, right? You don’t know 40% of it…
Key word: VOLTS, with little or no amps behind it. A telephone ring voltage is 110Volts, but, there is only 32mA behind it. So, how is 110V dangerous with MILLI AMPS? Well, change that to 30AMPS at 110V, you can die…
I suggest you do a LOT more reading and learning.
isnt it just like wiping your console and saying they didnt do anything it was your fault for modding?
Hello,
Bill Gates Here, Ill be FRYING your systems soon.
OBTW, Thank you for atleast buying The Xbox 360
if this was the case. why havent they done the same thing to all their operating system software that gets pirated.
if this were true and happened. many lawsuits would be goin down. its MY system, my property, i dont give a crap about the agreement saying im only borrowing a license of the xbox. i paid for it, they fry my xbox many people will fry their money
It is, basically, not your anything. I know we PAID for it, but the license is all. The hardware and software belong to M$. Basically, yeah, it’s property, and we own it. When they raid MOD shops, they TAKE everything; from unmodded to modded consoles, BECAUSE they own it all. I have heard no exclusive case where M$ came to some private home and took their XB360 and software. THe point is that they CAN…
If you hack your console you might run into trouble with Miscrosoft. One way or the other. If you know low-level language you can try to “defend” yourself. But, unless you can hook up with a team, more brains, you will have a hard time against the huge, but not always the most efficient, MS teams that exist today. So, “kill-switch” or not; take a chance, save on $50 games by downloading them instead and cross your fingers, or don’t hack your box and be ok with less money in your pocket.
this is in fact true i have seen it done. i know the insides of an xbox 360 of by heart and not to long ago me and my brother were screwing with the 360 firmware as we often do ,we do this using software and a Ethernet cable and he noticed a ghost in the codding of the system that was only running when we were connected to the internet even if the 360 wasn’t connected to xbox live and he though it was the software that detects hacked firmware so he tried to access it and the second he did his 360 crashed and well dose not work any more dose not even boot not that M$ intentionally made a suicide code
but its their
source: experience
all so i forgot one thing
we all know Microsoft likes to screw over its customers
so you be the judge
mayby this is red ring that why they cant fix it they send you a new one mayby its when they think you are playing a back up notice consols that dont connect dont get it and then you send it in microsoft looks at it then tries fixing to where you cant mod it its perfect now how do we stop it i know exactly how
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I doubt what they can do is large physical damage like sending your line voltage through the unit. I would be more likely a change or deletion of some important system chip or corruption. And then even if they did initiate such an attack on a peoples property, they would have a huge class action lawsuit on their hands. Sure, they can ban you from xbox live, but physically or electronically disabling your hardware is completely different.